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Welcome back to This Week in Privacy,

our weekly series where we discuss the

latest updates with what we've been

working on within the Privacy Guides

community,

and this week's top stories in data

privacy and cybersecurity while answering

viewer questions.

I'm Jordan,

and with me this week is Jonah.

How are you, Jonah?

I'm doing pretty well.

Pretty uneventful week, I think.

But yeah,

we got some good news to talk about

today.

So yeah, I'm excited about that.

How are you doing, Jordan?

Yeah, good.

Ready to dive into some really interesting

news topics this week.

I guess we can dive straight into the

first story here.

And this is from TechCrunch.

X sends cease and desist to...

open source project knitter over alleged

scraping knitter an open source project

that allowed people to read x posts

without logging in or even opening the x

app has received cease and desist letters

from x demanding that it shut down the

news was shared by a brief message posted

to the project's website and follows x's

early attempts to knock knitter offline by

technical means

The service also powers a number of other

sites, including xCancel,

which allowed people to view X posts

directly.

This isn't X's first attempt to shut down

Knitter.

In twenty twenty four,

Knitter's flagship instance, Knitter.net,

went dark temporarily after X rolled out

new API restrictions.

Knitter worked by fetching public X posts

and then stripping out the ads,

tracking cookies and JavaScript,

giving people a clean and clutter free way

to read posts without an account or the

app.

After the crackdown,

those who wanted to host a Nida instance

had to connect it to a real X

account,

according to the project's GitHub page.

Despite the restrictions,

development picked back up and Nida

instances came back online.

This time,

X is working to shut down Nida and

its instances via legal means.

Nida's website states that the Nida.net

project

is offline while its creator seeks legal

advice after receiving a cease and desist

letter.

That creator,

a developer who goes by the name of

Zedius,

told TechCrunch by email that other NIDA

instances received similar letters.

The letter from X,

which TechCrunch has viewed,

accuses Nitter of an unlawful use and

circumvention of X's application

programming interface and associated data.

Through its service,

saying that X has evidence that Nitter

scraped X data and accessed X accounts and

session tokens in violation of X's rules.

Lawyers for X said the actions are in

violation of various state and federal

laws,

including but not limited to the Texas

Harmful Access by Computer Act and the

Lanham Act.

The letter gave Nita until five p.m.

EST on August twenty fifth to shut down

and they have now shut down.

So I guess we can dive in here

into, you know,

Some discussion questions.

Why is Twitter doing this?

I mean,

Twitter definitely has an interest.

I think we've seen this,

especially from Twitter and Reddit.

They don't want people accessing their

data outside of their apps because they

sell this data to like AI companies and

stuff through their API for training and

for and that sort of purpose.

So all of this free access kind of

through these front ends.

Well,

it's useful for people who just want to

access Twitter.

It's also a way that

They could certainly scrape all of that

data companies if all of that is

available.

And so that's kind of a business interest

that they have in shutting this down.

It's unfortunate because

I think this is going to affect a

lot of people, since unfortunately,

a lot of companies and even news

organizations or government agencies still

post like announcements to Twitter and

official things.

I know that we frequently see like tweets

from the Graphene OS project, for example,

we would see in our communities.

because they post a lot of updates there.

Luckily, in that case,

they also post the same posts pretty much

all the time to their Mastodon.

So they have we have that option to

access it.

But like a lot of similar projects will

not be mirroring their posts to to

Mastodon or other services in the same way

that more privacy focused projects like

like Graphene OS would.

So for a lot of those software projects

or for other organizations,

it's

It sucks because then you really need to

just have a Twitter account,

use their app,

and give away a lot of information just

to read posts that aren't accessible by

any other means.

Because people have not gotten into the

habit of using more than one platform to

post even now, unfortunately.

Yeah, I have seen even like, you know,

US government agencies,

they'll like post updates on Twitter.

And it's like, well,

is that really like it used to be

that Twitter was like the public square or

whatever they used to call it.

And it was like the place where you

go for the updates.

Right.

And everyone could access it.

You didn't need an account.

But now it seems like that's sort of

almost become like Facebook and Instagram.

You do need an account to access Twitter.

basically anything on Twitter without,

you know,

the severe restrictions on what you can

access basically,

which I agree is probably due to scraping.

I mean, Twitter has always been like,

you would see tweets embedded in news

posts all the time,

just like statements that people were

making just because a lot of newsworthy

content was shared there and it was so

easy to access.

You could just share a link to it.

You could always view it.

You could embed its tweets in your

in your news posts or whatever,

and people would just be able to read

them on the Internet.

And there were certainly some tracking

aspects to like embedding Twitter into all

of these sites.

But, you know,

it was still accessible and all of that

stuff is just kind of being shut down.

So, yeah,

they're definitely closing themselves off

which I guess was to be expected, again,

because of all the stuff, especially.

But yeah, it's it's a bad sign.

And it's a bad sign that these laws

are able to do this because

like all of the information that's on

Twitter,

it's not like private data still like that

is information that's been shared to the

public by people who aren't intending to

like restrict their data behind or their

posts behind these these paywalls.

It's a it's a business decision for for

Twitter to try and lock it down.

But it's kind of a similar argument to

like using an ad blocker, right?

Like using you back origin also isn't

illegal because Twitter is sharing this

information onto the Internet.

And once it's publicly accessible,

once the data gets to your computer,

what you do with it is kind of

up to you.

They can't control it at that point

anymore.

But Twitter is basically,

or X should probably stop calling it

Twitter,

but they are basically saying that they do

have that control and that they can

control not only like

the information that they serve,

but also how you consume that that data.

And I think that that is a dangerous

precedent for a lot of different front

ends and technologies.

So yeah,

I would definitely be worried about that

because I think a lot of other front

ends that people use that are similar to

NITR would be would be at risk.

And hopefully there are some groups who

are able to push back against this because

That becomes a lot more concerning if this

is going to impact these software projects

beyond just Twitter, I think.

I'd be worried about that.

Yeah,

I think this does actually kind of remind

me a little bit.

I don't know if you remember,

but YouTube DL at some point also got

issued a cease and desist and it was

like, oh no,

now how are we going to access YouTube?

How are we going to download YouTube

videos properly?

And what ended up happening was they had

a fork called YT DLP and now the

project is still going.

So I do wonder if...

this could be one of these resilience

things with open source that like,

you know,

someone else forks this and it becomes a

separate project that, you know,

maybe doesn't get cease and desisted,

but I don't really know how they could

modify it so that it wouldn't be breaching

these.

I mean, these state and federal laws,

do we really,

is there any precedent to know if these

are actually applicable to this even?

This seems like a fairly like precedent

setting sort of thing.

yeah uh before we get into that i

saw a question from uh ultra pain uh

uh in the chat here what what actually

is no we should probably address that

first for anyone who is unfamiliar um

knitter is basically we we call them front

ends and there's a bunch of different ones

for different websites there's like

invidious for youtube for example but what

they do is like

It's an alternative web page that you can

go to that will display data from like

a service like Twitter or YouTube without

having to like actually load Twitter

yourself or load any of the resources like

JavaScript that they're running or

trackers or or really access Twitter

directly.

It kind of like

acts as a man in the middle,

basically to show you data from Twitter

without having to access Twitter yourself.

And so with Knitter, for example,

you could get like an X post that's

like X dot com.

You get the link for it and you

just replace the X dot com part of

it with like Knitter dot net or whatever

Knitter instance

you're using.

There's a bunch of different ones.

I don't know what the main ones people

use are now,

but you just replace the X dot com

with that and then it'll show you that

Twitter post and all of the replies

without having to access Twitter.

Because a lot of the time these days,

when you click like a link to X

dot com, it'll say like, oh,

to read this,

you have to sign in and in that

sort of thing.

And that's kind of what people are

avoiding the most when they share these

Niter links.

It's just to be able to read that

content without having to make an account

because a lot of people like they just

want to read a single tweet or some

of the replies they don't want to

They don't want to, like,

use Twitter and follow a bunch of people,

etc.

And so Jordan is showing, like,

for example,

a knitter page for the frame of soft

profile.

And you can see like you can see

their profile picture,

their bio and like all of their posts,

basically.

But this is not on Twitter itself.

It's

on this separate website where you can't

interact with Twitter,

but you also don't need to have like

a an account to sign in to to

access all of that, basically.

So it's just a way to read that

content without without an account,

without connecting directly to Twitter.

If you're concerned about, you know,

getting their trackers in your browser or

like sharing your IP with them, et cetera.

And so there will be other front ends

like that for other services.

But

Yeah, that's basically how it works.

Somebody in the chat said that there are

other frontends like Knitter that you do

need an account.

And so there are sometimes frontends where

you can supply your own credentials or API

key to kind of bypass these things.

Yeah, exactly like you said,

to access it without needing to access the

actual website or sign in every time.

But there is still some tracking involved

in the sense that if you're using your

own credentials,

they can kind of see what you're accessing

and that sort of thing.

But you still don't have to use their

apps or their website.

So yeah,

a lot of different projects that do this,

basically.

And Knitter is one of the biggest ones

when it comes to

X just because X has gotten more and

more annoying with forcing people to sign

in just to read these posts.

A lot of the posts, again,

which are in the public interest because

so many organizations, again,

are posting official announcements only to

X and there's no other way to access

this stuff.

Which is an annoying thing.

I know Proton does a very similar thing

with Reddit,

where they will post a lot of official

announcements there instead of their own

website or blog.

Reddit has the same problem where they're

forcing more and more signups.

I think a non-QYW in the chat also

pointed that out.

That's another site that's been super

annoying.

And I think Reddit...

started blocking access to the old version

of Reddit without the redesign,

without signing in.

So yeah,

it's just the general trend that we're

definitely seeing on the Internet.

As far as the laws that the lawyers

for X stated,

I'm not familiar with how they could

potentially apply to this case,

I have to look into that.

But a lot of the times, you know,

we don't really know for sure until we

see it tested in like in court and

stuff.

As far as I know,

there's no precedent to stopping

there's no precedent to against any of

these front ends or similar services.

From what I can tell,

I believe like the YouTube situation,

a lot of that was kind of based

on the trademark having YouTube in the

name, for example.

So it makes sense that they shut down.

But obviously, YT

DLP is they're still around and they're

still running.

And we see that a lot with a

lot of these open source projects that get

shut down.

I think it's very possible that like this

creator will just kind of no longer

develop knitter because it is really

annoying to deal with.

But the nature of these open source

projects is like now that now that the

code is out there,

now that

I mean, I assume it still works.

People will still be able to run their

own instances and continue developing it

and hosting it and forking it if Intel

Twitter finds a way to block this

entirely.

I don't know what methods they would have

to do that,

but

Like at the end of the day,

you know,

violating the Twitter terms of service or

whatever, it's not like against the law.

Right.

Or it shouldn't be at the very least.

And so there I would imagine a fork

of this will certainly crop up even if

Netter itself goes away.

Yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see.

Currently the repository is archived by

the owner, which happened on August,

it's a read only.

So I do wonder how long it's going

to take for X to maybe DMCA the

entire repository and get it completely

deleted.

Again, like this Zedius person,

like I'm sure they don't really have the

funds and they don't have the lawyers to

really defend themselves against this,

even if they wanted to.

Right.

So we probably won't even see

anything happen here.

It might just be that the project is

dead and that's kind of where it goes.

Um,

so that would be kind of interesting to

see,

but like in a lot of these cases,

it's like easier to just drop everything,

which kind of sucks,

but it'll be interesting to see how things

go.

I've already seen alternatives to knitter

popping up already.

So people have got their own versions of

it.

Um, so it's definitely interesting.

very much alive in that aspect.

But it's definitely going to be

interesting to see what happens.

I guess we could talk a little bit

about Terracotta Pie said,

can anything be done to counter this?

And this is where it kind of sucks

because like a lot of what Jonah said

is like, you know, these organizations,

they post on specific platforms and it's

kind of hard to just force a company

or the government to, you know,

start posting on alternative platforms

that are more open.

We've definitely seen it becoming a little

bit more common.

I noticed that there was some government

accounts on Blue Sky, for instance,

which

has its own issues um i think there's

definitely they also have a similar issue

with sign-ins and stuff like that but it's

definitely less of an issue on blue sky

but um yeah it's just sort of you

know you can try and switch to these

alternative platforms like mastodon like

we recommend and hopefully these companies

will start trying to follow suit and move

over to these platforms and post more on

there because it's um

It's definitely better to have information

be accessible.

Or we could just go back to good

old websites and blogs.

But I think people are a bit over

that, I think, at this point.

think it'd be this is a good time

to bring up one of the posts in

our forum thread for this episode at the

last post here if you see a jordan

um someone named seven six three rochelle

uh posted just dropping by to mention that

some public knitter instances still exist

one being um their own some of us

are fighting back and refuse to let this

great project die and they posted um a

link to some instances that are still

working and um a wiki instance on a

codeberg repo related to this about um

with more information about the legal

aspects of this or preventing DMCA reports

from taking down instances.

So some good resources there, I think,

that people could take a look at.

And I can probably share a link to

this forum thread here in the chat here.

I'll post it now.

Yeah,

some some good stuff to check out

Definitely,

I think we'll see a lot of this

people kind of taking it into their own

hands because like I said the open source

stuff is is out there and There's there's

always going to be a lot of options

Hopefully hopefully people are able to

pick up the development if the original

developer Decides to kind of bow out

because of these because of these issues

but it doesn't

To me,

it doesn't seem like it should be a

legal issue to access this data.

Definitely.

Let's see here.

Before we move on to the next story,

we'll do one question from the chat here.

TravelingGamer asks,

I have a few YouTuber friends and they've

featured me on their channel as their real

name and I feel like it'd be weird

to start posting videos using a different

name.

How important is this on YouTube?

I guess I'd wonder...

What the situation is,

were they featuring your YouTube channel

or would you just be doing it

independently?

I think it isn't probably that strange to

adopt a stage name or a different name

if that's what you want to do.

I don't think it would make a huge

difference,

but if you want to keep it independent

for privacy reasons,

you'd have to

Just keep that in mind,

try to avoid those terms.

But I don't think it's that strange to

start using a different name if you would

prefer to go under a different name.

Yeah,

I don't know if I have any additional

advice.

Jordan, do you have any?

other thoughts about that?

Yeah,

I think if you do want to keep

things separate, like, yeah,

I would probably think about it very long

and hard because once you link things

together, it's linked together forever.

So I would say, though,

if you do end up linking them together,

you can use the collaboration feature,

which we've been using actually quite a

bit.

So, like, if you had those

those videos that you had with your real

name,

you could ask your friends to also link

your other channel as well,

which hopefully would make it less

confusing for them.

But yeah,

good luck on your YouTubing journey.

But why don't we move on to the

next story here, then?

This one is from Bleeping Computer.

Android-seventeen adds ECH support to make

web browsing harder to track.

ECH, or encrypted client hello,

acts as a privacy extension for TLS,

which is the protocol that secures your

internet connections when you see HTTPS in

the browser.

That's the security that TLS adds.

What ECH does is it encrypts the opening

part of the TLS connection that reveals

the connected hostname via server name

indication.

So basically right now,

when you access a site like

we'll say like Privacy Guides,

the Privacy Guides form,

people will be able to see that you're

accessing discuss.privacyguides.net.

Through this,

they won't be able to see what specific

page that you're accessing,

but they can still see the domain name

itself.

ECH tries to go a step further and

kind of hide the domain name that you're

connecting to as well to kind of obfuscate

what you're doing on the internet,

which is

which is good because otherwise, you know,

even when you're making these encrypted

connections,

your Internet service provider,

the people operating your Wi-Fi,

et cetera, can still see that destination.

They can collect it for profiling

purposes, et cetera.

And so we've seen this in some browsers

and now Android users,

Android users currently benefit from ECH

when you're browsing with like Google

Chrome or if you're using the Firefox app.

But now Android seventeen will incorporate

the protections at the platform level.

So other apps

will be able to use it.

ECH will be enabled by default for apps

that are targeting Android seventeen,

provided they use a compatible networking

library.

So it depends on the developers supporting

it on servers that don't support ECH,

which is a lot of web servers right

now.

Android is going to send a fake ECH

looking field called ECH Greece so that

real ECH connections don't stand out

against the rest.

But the host name will still be visible,

so it won't provide the complete

protections that ECH would normally

provide.

Let's see.

They say that beyond rolling out broader

support for ECH on Android,

Google also announced a few more important

network protections that improve user

security and privacy through their

combined use.

The first is adjustments to local network

protection that now require apps to obtain

permission before scanning for or

connecting to devices on the user's local

network.

And the second is that Android now enables

certificate transparency by default,

requiring website certificates to appear

in public logs,

hence making the use of forged

certificates more

evident.

Google also announced that participating

mobile operators will now be able to turn

off to G automatically for subscribers,

reducing their exposure to SMS blasters

and rogue base stations that can deliver

malicious messages or capture sensitive

traffic from nearby devices.

So yeah,

a lot of networking security related

improvements coming to Android,

which is pretty great, I think.

Before we get into these discussion

points,

did you see anything in this article,

Jordan,

that I hadn't mentioned there that you

wanted to bring up?

I think I will just quickly touch on

Oddbyte's comment here.

ECH doesn't stop ISPs from collecting IP

addresses connected to DNS queries.

So yeah,

that is the main thing that ECH doesn't

protect against.

But considering how

Considering how many, like, you know,

a lot of services use, like,

content delivery networks.

So, like,

you're probably connecting to the same IP

address as, like, a bunch of other people.

So that information is less pertinent,

I would say.

I did remember there was other ways that,

you know,

ISPs could collect that information.

I believe it was, like, OCSP.

like certificates and stuff like that,

that I'm not sure if that has also

been patched as well.

Um, but that would be interesting to see.

I know we definitely,

I feel like there was someone who did

like a more in depth, uh,

like privacy analysis,

because I think a lot of people are

going to be thinking like,

do I need a VPN anymore?

Like if I have encrypted client, hello,

is this really.

necessary,

but I think protecting your IP address is

also an important thing and they'll still

know which IP address you're connecting

to,

which could be revealing in some cases.

Yep.

Yeah.

I mean,

ECH is a part of the puzzle that

was needed in addition to like encrypted

DNS,

because we saw encrypted DNS technologies

come out far before this.

And a lot of people were like,

now that I've encrypted my DNS queries,

now my ISP can't see what domains I'm

requesting or connecting to anymore.

And that wasn't the case because of server

name indication with these HTTPS

connections,

it would still reveal your your domain

name.

And so ECH

absolutely works in tandem with this

encrypted DNS,

where now it's two components that reveal

your domain name.

The domain name that you're connecting to

are now being patched,

but the IP address of the web server

that you're connecting to still remains.

So a big improvement that ECH makes is

honestly just to the Cloudflare network

more than anything else,

because so many websites are behind

Cloudflare and they are able to

basically hide all of these websites

behind a handful of IP addresses,

so you can't really figure out what it

is.

But when it comes to all of these

sites that aren't hosted behind gigantic

CDN platforms,

ECH is going to have a much more

limited

benefit.

Even the privacy guides form example that

I gave earlier,

if we don't have ECH enabled right now

for a variety of reasons,

it's very difficult to enable as a web

server operator at the moment,

unfortunately.

But even if we did,

the form is the only

website that's being hosted on the IP

address that we use.

We don't share it with other websites at

the moment.

So that is still a way to identify

what websites you're visiting, absolutely.

And then on the other hand,

exactly like you said,

websites are still going to be able to

see your IP address that you're connecting

to.

So for those two reasons,

using a VPN still is going to provide

protections that encrypted DNS and

encrypted client hello aren't going to

provide.

But there's still definite improvements

and we're I think we're just continuing to

make progress towards more private by

default

connections because DNS,

because the server name indication,

these things being exposed in plain text

for a very long time was problematic.

And it's good to see that these kind

of legacy components,

as far as how all of this works,

are finally being addressed in

in some way, but exactly as I mean,

I just said in the chat, too,

it's it's not a replacement for for VPNs

and it that kind of stuff won't be

a replacement for VPNs,

at least for a very long time.

There are a lot of improvements that would

still need to be made.

Definitely,

and I would say I'm not sure who

wrote this page up.

It might have been you, Jonah,

or another team member,

but the DNS overview page in the advanced

topics section of our website is extremely

good at explaining this.

If you're still confused about, like, oh,

what is server name indication?

Like, what is all this about?

Like,

it kind of goes through things and

explains basically what Jonah just said,

but in, like, you know,

it shows you why a shark...

Yeah, there's some examples there.

Some more details.

Definitely check that out.

We could probably leave a link to that

in the chat too for anyone who wants

to take a look.

But yeah,

we got a lot of good stuff on

our website.

You can learn a lot if you check

out the knowledge base tab on

privacyguides.org for sure.

Definitely.

It is for sure better,

but stuff like DPI slash DNS querying are

still a problem.

Yeah.

So I think it's not going to replace,

like Trina said,

it's not going to replace a VPN,

but it's...

It is definitely a step in the right

direction.

I think one interesting thing about this

is that it will require developers to opt

into this on Android.

So it'll be interesting to see.

I feel like Google is in one of

these positions where it could just

literally force everyone.

I don't really see a reason why you

wouldn't.

I suppose governments that want to censor

the internet could think that could cause

connection issues maybe.

But...

It is something that I think would be

good to see basically every app utilizing.

It should be like the default of the

internet.

This should have been how it was,

like the internet was from the start,

but we finally got here in twenty twenty

six.

There were a couple of like smaller other

things in the Google updates as well as

the ECH stuff,

which also looked quite interesting.

One of the things was Google announcing

that they would be able to have carriers

be able to turn off IIg automatically,

which... Finally.

I'm not really sure who's using IIg still.

Is IIg still being used?

Apparently.

I'm not sure, but... I mean...

Yeah,

it's good to turn it off like on

a on a device level.

I don't know what the what the exposure

is,

but like it's still it's still enabled by

default on on Android and iOS.

And so if an impersonator can kind of

use the two G network to to make

like a fake two G base station,

that that is a problem.

And so like if a carrier knows that

there should be no two G

base stations on their on their network at

all.

Being able to turn that off obviously

makes a ton of sense outside of I

do know that like outside of the United

States, a lot of countries,

I've heard a lot of reports about like

countries in Europe, for example,

are still using two G and three G

very, very widely.

It's less of a

It's less of the case in the US.

I don't know how prevalent it is in

the US at this point,

but I know when I interviewed Rudy from

Cape in a video we did a few

months ago on the channel,

he had mentioned that it is still in

use in the United States in some areas,

so it hasn't been completely phased out.

according to them either.

So I'd have to look into that more.

But it's all still, yeah,

that technology is still out there.

So being able to turn it off entirely

is obviously a very good thing for

carriers to be able to do.

And yeah,

it's very nice on like Grappino S,

for example,

how you can just turn it off and

restrict it to a four G and five

G only because that's kind of the ideal

situation right now.

I think a lot of people

least in the us certainly don't need two

g and three g anymore um in other

countries i think some countries still

have to catch up a bit and modernize

their systems but but we're getting there

we're getting there for sure

Definitely.

I think this was kind of interesting to

me because at least in Australia,

we only have four G and five G

no three G no two G like two

G got shut down like ten years ago,

maybe fifteen years ago.

So I'm just like,

it is definitely interesting to see.

There's a very different, uh,

ways that countries are going about

implementing that but it's good because uh

like this said here like you know the

two g network was being used to get

people blasted with sms's which obviously

is not good um i think that was

also another issue that we had with like

spyware um

I think it was like,

which one is it?

It's the one that they basically create a

fake tower to intercept traffic.

I can't really remember what it's called

right now, though.

Oh, like the Stingray devices?

Stingray, yeah.

So I think that could also be something

that could protect against something like

that as well.

It's good to see Google kind of pushing

in the right direction in a lot of

aspects at least when it comes to like

the aosp stuff just just don't look at

like all the other stuff yeah uh okay

are we getting any questions here uh i

highly doubt carriers even in countries

without two g and three g will actually

disable two g slash three g

Really?

I mean, I feel like... I mean...

I mean,

carriers are not exactly on the ball when

it comes to, you know,

enabling security features.

So it wouldn't surprise me if people don't

take advantage of this,

even if it is an option,

and even if they could do it with

no downside.

But, yeah, it's...

It seems to never be a great thing

to put these features in the carrier's

hands,

but that's kind of where we are at

the moment.

Oddbite in the chat works for Cape and

knows a lot about cellular stuff,

so keep that in mind.

But yeah,

a lot of good comments about how all

of that works in the chat from him

here.

Uh,

I guess if we've got no other questions

here, we can dive into this next topic.

Uh, this was a foreign post,

but it comes from a Mac rumors article

here.

Uh,

Apple won't change hide my email domain

after backlash.

So basically if you didn't know, uh,

Apple was basically thinking of changing

the, uh,

the domain that they would use on their

hide my email domain because of, you know,

people being abusing it.

And it kind of was having a impact

on the deliverability of mail for,

you know, standard iCloud.com users.

So they kind of said, oh,

we might be thinking about changing it to

private.icloud.com instead.

So, you know,

they were saying that that would probably

make a distinction between whether an

address is a hide my email one or

just a standard one,

because currently any hide my email

address is just at iCloud.com,

which was actually really powerful because

it meant that basically no one could block

it.

Because if you blocked at iCloud.com,

it would basically block every iCloud

email user.

So

that's how it was kind of strong because

a lot of these services that we recommend,

such as like simple login or proton pass,

they use like specific domains,

like at simple login or at proton mail

or at proton pass.

Um,

And those, you know,

at pastmail.com and those sort of domains

are easy for providers to block and be

like, oh, that's an anonymous email.

We don't allow that.

And that was one like quite big benefit

that Apple's hide my email had.

And this was kind of like one of

these things where if they changed it to

private.icloud.com,

then it would be basically, oh,

we can just block anyone that signs up

using that domain.

And that would kind of stop people from

using this

in a way where, you know,

they can protect their email address.

So Apple said after further consideration

and reviewing feedback from the community,

it will not make the change.

Sign in with Apple addresses will be

issued through private.icloud.com instead

of private relay.appleid.com starting

later this year.

And there will be no update for hide

my email addresses.

So I think this is one of these

stories where it's like public pressure

does work.

I saw a lot of people complaining about

this and I think, you know,

Apple is usually they're not too,

they're not too keen on feedback,

but it seems like in this instance,

people were quite vocal against it and

they did end up pulling back and changing

their decision, which is good.

Yeah,

it's good that Apple came to their senses

with this one because the change didn't

seem to make a lot of sense.

I think that this is going to earn

Apple

a lot of goodwill and maybe that's why

they made this decision after that story

we talked about a few weeks ago where

they were kind of like,

you could de-anonymize anyone using hide

my email in private relay because of some

bug that they had.

And so coming back from that,

I think that this will hopefully, I mean,

I think Apple will certainly benefit from

people who don't switch away from their

service because of that whole debacle.

But yeah,

keeping the iCloud.com domain name for

these aliases is huge because yeah,

like you were saying,

a lot of these other aliasing service,

the domain names frequently get blocked,

whereas you can't really block.

at icloud.com quite as easily.

So yeah,

some some rare good news from the Apple

side of things.

That it's a change that I'm glad to

see they are they are not going to

make

Definitely.

We've got a question here from Roshan

Korea Co's one-on-one.

Why us, she and avatar?

So basically I, you know, it's,

this is a privacy thing.

I'd rather not share my face if I

can.

And this just allows me to,

people to be able to see my reactions

and be like, wow.

And like, you know, it's,

it's more interactive that way.

I hope it's not too distracting or

anything, but, um,

it's just a way to protect my privacy,

which everyone here should be,

should be doing right.

Right.

Everyone.

So, um, protect your privacy.

It's important.

Um, yeah.

Crazy caring about privacy unheard of.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, yeah,

I don't really see any other things here,

so we could dive into some side updates.

Yeah.

Um, yeah.

Why don't you start off with, uh,

what you're working on on the video side

of things?

Cause I know there's a lot of, uh,

exciting news about the,

about the channel that we have.

Yes,

there is quite a lot of things in

the pipeline right now.

It's kind of been a slow week of

like script writing for both me and Nate

and also just prepping interviews.

But if you didn't catch it,

the twenty twenty six password manager

tier list is

went up this week and it definitely,

people had thoughts, which is good.

I think, you know,

whenever you post like a tier list or

something that has, you know,

your opinions or, you know,

things that you rank,

I think people are always going to have

an issue with, oh,

you didn't rank this thing.

Oh,

you didn't rank this thing high enough.

Or I don't agree with you ranking

something that way.

And we definitely got some of those

comments,

but it seems like the majority of people

were just like, yeah,

this is a solid tier list.

And, you know,

It's definitely drawing a lot of attention

right now to the channel,

which is always good.

I think the most important thing, though,

is that people are switching to better

password managers.

Please stop using LastPass.

Please use a password manager.

If you learn anything from that video,

please just use any of the higher ranked

password managers from that video.

But yeah, definitely an interesting one.

Less scripted than usual.

So if you're kind of just want something

to watch while you're doing something

else,

definitely check out the tier list video.

It's a good watch and Nate did a

great job ranking everything.

So I think you'll all really enjoy that

if you haven't watched it already.

We do have an upcoming interview video

with Melanie Ensign and it's

Yeah, it's definitely an interesting one.

We've kind of been teasing it for a

while.

I think we should be good to publish

that this week.

Sorry, next week, I guess.

But that'll also be interesting.

And of course, we've got,

like I mentioned with the script writing,

we've got two continuations on our Crypto

Wars series.

So the previous video on Bullrun did quite

well.

So we're working on a video about Section

BI dispute with the iPhone five C.

So that is really going to be quite

interesting.

I think those videos are also going to

turn out great.

And considering how well the password

manager tier list video did,

we are also working on a messenger tier

list,

which hopefully we'll have that out for

some time in the next little bit.

But that's also something that we can

tease that will be coming at some point.

Yeah,

I'm glad people really like the bull run

video,

the kind of the privacy history stuff that

we've been putting out,

because I think some of these other

stories will be very interesting as well.

And yeah, like you said,

a lot of we got a lot of

good feedback on the first tier list video

that we did,

and we want to continue doing it.

So I think we'll take that into account

for the messenger one.

But I'm glad that a lot of people

really like the password manager tier list

video so far.

So yeah, we will continue

doing stuff that people respond well to

because that's how we get that information

out there.

I'll talk about a few site updates that

we had some changes.

We've been publishing some some minor

updates,

so some new information about like this

just disabling Microsoft to recall some

features.

We kind of expanded our Windows guide a

little bit and we

updated some information about email

aliases, simple login,

and some other minor changes.

So those will come out on the website

soon.

Otherwise, on our website, as usual,

at privacyguides.org slash news,

Freya has been posting a ton of different

stories constantly,

stuff that we don't have a chance to

talk about on here,

but are still very interesting.

So there's some stories like WhatsApp

improving some security features,

Android car head units being hacked

through their built in updates,

which is crazy.

Plain English words being used to hide

Windows malware.

That's definitely an interesting story to

read.

And in addition to those news stories,

Nate also publishes the data breach

roundup every week.

And one just went out today with data

breaches over the last week that applied

to multiple hospitals.

Actually, if you scroll through that,

there are a ton of data breaches from

this week.

And you'll see that pretty much every

week.

There are quite a few to be concerned

about.

Just kind of a highlight reel of...

why you need to take like using a

good password manager,

using these email alias services

seriously,

because data breaches happen all the time,

much more than you would think,

as you would discover if you subscribe to

these data breach roundups and making sure

that your information isn't

shared between these different websites

that you use can't be correlated quite as

easily by using different passwords,

using different emails,

is a really great way to protect yourself

against identity theft,

against your other accounts being hacked,

etc.

So yeah, lots of cool news.

Again, at privacyguides.org slash news.

that i would that you could definitely

follow and all those get published to our

form at discuss.privacyguides.net as well

uh so there are always good discussions

taking place there about all of the news

stories um that get posted especially if

we can't cover them here on the show

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preserving your digital rights.

So yeah, with that out of the way,

let's talk about Meta's latest fine and

what it means.

And yeah, everyone,

just remember to leave your questions in

the chat.

We're going to be trying to answer

questions,

do some Q&A stuff in between stories as

we go.

So if you have any questions about what

we're talking about or just questions

about

anything at all that might be relevant to

us,

definitely leave them in the chat and we

will get to them as soon as we

can.

So yeah, Jordan,

why don't you take a look at this

next story here?

Yeah, definitely.

So this is Meta agrees to pay eighteen

billion dollars to settle a U.S.

lawsuit over children's social media

addiction.

Meta platforms opens a new tab.

Wait, what opens a new tab?

I think that might be a typo.

We'll pay up to eighteen billion over the

next decade and strictly limited to how

teenagers use Facebook and Instagram under

an agreement with nearly all U.S.

states.

to resolve claims it designed those social

media platforms to addict children.

Basically, this entire thing,

it could provide a template for resolving

thousands of other lawsuits against social

media companies.

Governments around the world are trying to

curb children's access to harmful content.

And...

Yeah,

including a ban in Australia on social

media for children under sixteen.

And I believe that's also going on in

France as well.

So lots of countries are moving in that

direction.

Meta agreed over the next decade.

Keyword next decade to restrict teenagers

use of Facebook and Instagram to two hours

a day and block all usage from midnight

to six a.m.

absent school.

parental consent meta will also disable

most push notifications so teenage users

during school hours of eight a.m to three

p.m and enhance measures to prevent

children from accessing age restricted

content so

The settlement does not require meta to

abandon like personalized recommendations

or targeted advertising,

but it also does not address some content

meta researchers found particularly

problematic,

including posts that made Instagram users

uncomfortable with their body image.

And of course,

meta denied any wrongdoing in agreeing to

settle.

So I think, you know, this is

On the surface, this sounds good, right?

Eighteen billion dollars.

Is that a lot to Meta?

No.

This is over the next decade as well.

So is that really a substantial amount of

money for Meta over the next decade?

No, not really.

So it's a little bit, you know,

it does feel a little bit minuscule.

We need to be proportionally finding these

companies.

I guess I can throw it back to

you here, though, Jonah,

like the this sort of thing where,

you know,

they're applying this to kind of force

like age restriction stuff and, you know,

restrictions on children accessing

services like that is also a really big

issue to write.

Oh, you're muted.

Sorry about that.

Yeah,

it is kind of an interesting situation.

I don't know how much this is going

to really impact because like you said,

over the course of a whole decade is

eighteen billion dollars really a lot to

them.

It's probably more that's kind of a drop

in the bucket in terms of their overall

revenue,

especially over that period of time.

And yeah, it's it just kind of

It worsens this problem, I think,

that we have with like just this push

for age verification technology right now.

A lot of these lawsuits,

they're going to be responded to basically

saying, like, you need to have a lot,

a lot more protections.

for for children on these platforms,

and then they're going to have to

implement these verification processes

just to figure out who actually is a

child and who isn't.

And it again really just delegates like

that parental responsibility to the to the

government to kind of parent your children

on on your behalf,

which I think is a dangerous precedent

that we're that we're setting.

So

Well, it's, you know, well,

this is definitely a problem that that

needs to be addressed.

And it's important for like meta to have

more parental control so that like this,

this public health issue that is affecting

all of these children and teenagers right

now can be resolved.

I think that like taking it to

taking it to this level where the

government has to step in and be a

middleman in between all of these

interactions that people have with the

internet and with all of these services is

a really dangerous position, I think,

to take as a society.

it sets the precedent for even more of

the age verification stuff that we've been

that we've been seeing around the world,

which it's very concerning to me,

I think it will cause a lot more

privacy problems than it could potentially

solve.

Yeah,

I think also going back to how you

mentioned like, oh,

this this eighteen billion,

surely that's not that much, right?

So Meta actually made two hundred billion

dollars of revenue in twenty twenty five.

So just to put that in perspective,

that is

The cost of doing business.

That's what we call that.

So I think that is kind of frustrating.

Whenever we see this sort of stuff,

it's good that they're trying to stop

these companies from doing a lot of this

stuff.

I was talking to Nate about this because

Nate was working on a short about this.

And one comment that he made that I

thought was quite clever about this is a

lot of these restrictions that they're

talking about are things that adults

should have.

Like,

algorithmic feeds like let's just like

remove that that should just that should

not be allowed like that shouldn't be a

thing that you know uh these platforms

shouldn't be able to like you know

manipulate you and make you addicted like

this is stuff that like adults could use

too uh and you know suddenly when someone

turns as soon as like the the clock

strikes uh and someone turns they're

suddenly able to uh use an algorithmic

feed and have all these extra features

enabled it's like

Is that really something that suddenly

people are fine to use?

It's something that, you know,

these platforms should allow you to

disable or at least, you know,

there should be more scrutiny.

Yeah,

I think I think quite a lot of

people would appreciate like the ability

to go back to like seeing things in

your timeline from people,

only people that you follow,

like in the order that they were posted.

Like,

I think a lot of people would like

that sort of thing, of course.

Maybe they would use those platforms less,

it would be less engaging,

but I think that that would be quite

a benefit for a lot of people.

And that's the sort of thing that there

should be at least the option to enable

that for people who think that they are

highly impacted by this.

It shouldn't be limited to just certain

groups of people,

but it should just be an option.

And I think that like all of these

improvements should be an option for for

anybody to take advantage of them.

They could be built into, again,

like a suite of parental controls to be

enforced on on certain devices.

Like if you buy a device like a

phone or an iPad for your for your

child,

you probably don't want them to be doing

whatever they want with it.

Twenty four seven.

So like having those controls on it makes

a lot of sense.

And all of that stuff can be done

without

like the government mandating them or like

restricting it based on your ID or your

age.

It could just be an option that's

available to you.

And it's a lot of these improvements that

these platforms are making for children.

Just like you said,

they should be like available as an option

for anyone using these platforms,

because I think a lot of the problems

that children are facing,

it's not just limited to children and

teenagers.

I think a lot of people find

These platforms are too addicting,

take up too much time,

and don't appreciate that.

So yeah,

the solutions that we're seeing are

definitely not

Definitely not the best way to go about

these, in my opinion,

but as a lot of people in the

comments have been saying now, you know,

it doesn't have a lot to do with

children specifically.

A lot of this, like,

think of the children stuff is commonly

used as an excuse to implement all sorts

of things that are really detrimental to

everybody,

and this is definitely no exception.

Yeah, it just comes back to

the thing that we always keep saying like

this is something that the government

shouldn't be getting their hands in

unfortunately they are and it's becoming

very common for countries to be pushing

for this now so use what you can

I think you know local parental controls

like Jonah said is like probably the best

way to go but now that we're seeing

you know stuff like this happening it's

It's frustrating.

I also do think, you know,

a lot of these devices now,

they have very good parental controls.

Like if you buy an Apple device,

it will ask you if you're setting it

up for a child.

If you buy like any Android device,

it will ask if you're setting it up

for a child.

Same with a Windows computer.

So...

I think we are stepping in the right

direction,

but in terms of local parental controls

and stuff, but I think, you know,

when we start moving towards like the

government requiring ID or restricting

access to social media based on age,

that's when it starts becoming like,

how do we verify everyone's age?

Well, that's got to be done by,

you know, verifying everyone's ID.

So that, as we know,

that doesn't really work that well.

They've tried that in Australia and,

they've tried to ban people under the age

of sixteen from social media.

It doesn't particularly work that well and

it also puts quite a big risk of

people's IDs being breached because a lot

of times they're processed by these age

assurance companies that have really no...

no precedent for processing such large

amounts of data and are basically a

honeypot for people's information.

If you're a hacker and you want a

large trove of highly sensitive

information that you can use to perform

identity theft,

then that would be basically the number

one place to target.

So it is kind of frustrating.

There's definitely a lot of comments

coming in.

So is there any here that are sticking

out to you, Jonah?

Oh, boy.

I know we got some,

we have some questions in the chat that

we should take a look at.

But is there any?

I don't know if I've seen any related

to what you were just talking about.

I mean,

there are some good questions that kind of

are what we just pointed out.

Russian, Kyriakos,

I don't know if I'm saying that name

correctly.

Sorry.

But like,

isn't there already parental control on

devices yet?

I mean, that's the thing, right?

And a lot of the parental controls we

have right now are not very robust,

but that's the sort of thing that like

from a technology standpoint,

I think could be improved,

like just exposing these options to the

standard parental controls and letting the

operating system kind of control like what

experience an app is going to display to

people.

I think that that's the kind of

improvement that would be nice to see for

sure.

And having that option available to

parents as like a tool

when thinking about these devices that

children and teenagers have these days,

I think that is definitely something that

needs to be improved,

but it is something that could be improved

on the parental control side more than the

government surveillance and government

intervention side of things.

I think that that is where this becomes

very, very concerning.

Definitely.

Someone left, JMR said,

an RSS reader even lets me combine

everything into a single feed with news,

Mastodon and YouTube, all RSS.

So yeah,

RSS is definitely kind of old school,

I feel like.

I feel like maybe now it's making a

bit of a resurgence.

But again,

that brings us back to like this really

frustrating thing with the NIDA incident

is, you know,

when a lot of these platforms are blocking

access to users who aren't logged in.

A lot of these systems like RSS,

it blocks people using RSS to follow their

favorite creators.

It restricts how you can basically consume

content from those platforms.

So it is nice, I think,

especially with YouTube on RSS.

I think that is one thing that is

a little bit of a hitch at the

moment.

But I think if you're following stuff like

actual websites with RSS feeds, Mastodon,

I think you can definitely get...

a way better um social media feed that

way than yeah than uh than following you

know on these algorithmic social media

platforms especially especially twitter

because that is yeah

It's definitely making a resurgence

because it's the only way to get that

these days.

You don't have a lot of other options

if you just want to see the things

that you follow.

Everything is just so algorithmic these

days that it is a good option.

And thankfully,

a lot of sites like YouTube,

like blogs or news, things that you...

that you follow do still support RSS.

I think like a big,

it depends on how you use these social

media platforms because there are like two

sides of it.

But a lot of people do use like

Twitter or Reddit just to keep up with

news that they care about more than like

the social aspect side of things.

And that is a use case that could

very easily switch to like using a good

RSS reader and following your favorite

news sources that way.

So yeah,

it is a cool technology if that works

for you.

Definitely.

JMR said,

I'm putting together my local AI PC

waiting at Sephard's.

That sounds pretty pricey these days.

How's that going for you?

Yes.

Roshan, Kyriakos.

Again, Blue Sky or Mastodon,

which one is better?

Personally, I prefer Mastodon.

I think that just from a decentralization

perspective,

the idea of Mastodon makes a lot more

sense to me.

I've talked about this before,

but Mastodon is kind of...

all in one solution where like if you

want to host it yourself,

you have all of the parts that you

need kind of included in in the Mastodon

software.

Whereas like with Blue Sky, for example,

you can only self-host like certain

aspects of it,

like you can control your own data and

like where it's stored.

But like accessing that data and then

accessing other people's data,

those are separate tools and a lot of

those are much harder to self-host than

others.

So like

It's not a full,

fully decentralized network in the way

that a lot of people expect,

whereas Mastodon really is like the most

decentralized version of social media that

we can realistically get at the moment.

So if you are concerned about like

like self hosting,

or just controlling your own little corner

of the internet,

or you're worried about this age

verification stuff kind of taking over

these big platforms,

I think that mastodon is going to be

a lot more resilient than blue sky when

it comes to this sort of thing.

And so,

especially for like all of the social

media stuff that we talked about here,

but also just in general,

I think that mastodon is,

is the way to go for sure.

Yeah.

And I think it's definitely bigger than

just Mastodon, right?

Like the Fediverse,

there's all sorts of stuff.

Like we post our videos on PHU,

but that's also part of the Fediverse.

And you can access that through Mastodon.

You can access that through Pleroma.

You can access that through many different

Fediverse services and stuff.

So even if you're not really a fan

of Mastodon, you can be like, oh,

I can just use Pleroma instead,

or I can just use Acoma instead.

And there's like

lots of different alternatives,

different front ends to access these

platforms, different back ends even.

So there's a lot of extra choice that

you get if you do plan to go

that route, especially like Jonah said,

if you're self-hosting something,

you can kind of choose what software that

you're using to connect with people.

And I think that is definitely one reason

why

Blue Sky is becoming a bit of an

issue because Blue Sky has a bit too

much centralization on the single

organization that runs and creates Blue

Sky.

It seems like much more of a centralized

service where there's less alternatives to

that.

I know there was Black Sky happening.

There was different front ends for Blue

Sky as well.

It definitely seems less mature,

which makes sense because it hasn't been

around as long,

but

Yeah,

Privacy Guides does recommend Mastodon on

our website.

So yeah,

we can definitely give it a shot.

I would say if you're trying out Mastodon,

definitely follow a lot of people.

I think the biggest mistake that people

make with Mastodon is like,

not following enough people and then your

feed is just like dead um you need

to be following a bunch of people and

uh the way that people basically the way

content proliferates is basically through

boosts so you know if you don't boost

something then no one's gonna see it um

so

Yeah,

it's definitely an interesting platform.

It's definitely worth trying.

iSucks says, Mastodon is more private,

but as a high entry bars,

you need to understand as you have to

choose a server and people are too lazy

to choose.

I don't know if that's really the biggest

bar for people joining.

I think, you know,

when you sign up through join

mastodon.org,

it does give you basically a list of

general servers that you can join.

I know Jonah runs two, three, a few.

So like, yeah.

That's true.

It is tough because like all of these

decentralized services,

you do sort of have to care whether

or not they work in our private if

you want to take full advantage of them.

But I like...

I absolutely,

if this is the sort of thing that

you care about,

I don't recommend signing up for like

mastodon.social because that has a lot of

problems with like centralizing a lot of

people on one big server.

And the same,

like Matrix has a similar problem where

people sign up for matrix.org for chat

instead of another server.

And so like if that is,

if decentralization,

if privacy is a big concern for you,

taking the time to research other servers

is important.

But I think at the end of the

day,

Signing up for like the quote main

instance, so to speak,

like Mastodon dot social or just the

default of whatever like the app provides

for you.

At worst,

it's going to be no worse than like

signing up for Blue Sky or signing up

for any of these centralized services like

like Twitter or Facebook or whatever.

And so

If you're just telling other people to

sign up and they don't care,

getting them on Mastodon.Social is not the

worst thing in the world because at least

you can now interact with that person on

a more decentralized and more private

network.

Mastodon has good tools to migrate your

account later.

If you do run into issues or if

you do care more about this sort of

thing over time,

switching to a different server is always

an option.

I think that there is some benefit to

having these large kind of general purpose

servers like massive on that social where

you don't really have to think about it

because it is it's it's an entry point

for people to get onto these social

networks and and just start using them.

And I think that that improves the network

effect and it makes the experience better

for people on the network as a whole,

even

if they're using their own server or some

more decentralized or some more

specialized instance of Mastodon than the

main server provides.

So that's something to keep in mind.

iSelects as what my server's names are.

They are mstdn.party and mstdn.plus are

the two that I run.

And they have slightly different rules,

so you could take a look at them.

And they have different moderation teams,

although there's a lot of overlap between

them.

But they're both kind of like general

purpose Mastodon instances.

And so if you wanted to sign up

for one of them,

you're more than more than welcome to.

Yeah, I think it's also

interesting that I think one of the big

things that I think still needs to happen

with Marston is it needs to be able

to migrate your posts when you migrate

service.

That's like the biggest thing that I'm

waiting for,

because I think that is one thing,

you know,

if you make a bunch of really good

posts and

you want to transfer,

let's say you're on mastodon.social and

you're like, oh,

this server's got bad moderation.

It's got other issues.

I don't want to be on the centralized

server.

Then, yeah,

you kind of are a bit stuck if

you want to transfer your posts.

As far as I'm aware,

that's not possible between mastodon

servers,

but it is possible between different

Fediverse services.

There is one, I think,

that does support that,

but it's still not...

Something that Mastodon supports at this

point.

So do keep that in mind if you

do end up deciding to sign up.

Everything else gets transferred,

just not your posts,

which can be a bummer.

Yep.

Of course,

your posts will still exist on the

previous server.

Like your old profile.

Basically like your followers will move

over and the old profile gets archived and

tells people where your new one is.

It doesn't all disappear,

but it is kind of annoying to not

have it all in one place anymore.

Some improvements could be made,

but it's gotten a lot better than it

was a few years ago,

I can tell you that for sure.

Yeah, that's good.

People are complaining about mic levels.

Everything looks fine in our recording

setup.

So I'm not entirely sure it could be

something on your end, possibly.

I would say this is good advice from

Lucas.

If you could try turning down the volume.

Yeah.

Dag Overhaul here said,

the culture on Mastodon is awful.

I would say the culture on Mastodon is

very dependent on who you're following.

If you're following people who are, like,

really obnoxious, then, yeah,

you're going to have a bad time.

But, like, if you don't like somebody,

you don't have to follow them.

You can block them,

which is what I do.

Like,

if I don't want to see someone's posts,

I just block them or, you know, whatever.

Blacklist them.

It's really up to you who you're

following.

You can't just not follow people that you

don't like.

In my experience,

Mastodon is probably one of the platforms

where there is much less of a cohesive

culture than almost any other platform,

just because there is no algorithmic

timeline.

there's certainly a culture on on facebook

or twitter because the timeline by default

is going to surface like various things

directly to you uh depending on different

biases that the algorithm is going to have

whereas like um yeah just like you said

i'm asking it really comes down to who

you're following and like the types of um

people that the people who you're

following will boost um one nice thing

that you can do on that sit on

if like you want to follow a person

but you don't agree with all of the

stuff that you're boosting you can hide

like

Boosts from certain people so you only see

their posts and not all the stuff that

they're reposting So that's another way

that you can kind of take control of

that.

But um but yeah in my experience The

the viewpoints I'm asking I have been kind

of all over all over the spectrum And

especially because like anybody can host a

mastodon instance they

they I mean,

you can you can really find anyone you

want on this on this platform.

But there is there is a problem,

I think,

maybe with some specific servers having a

very opinionated point of view and maybe

that that it'll filter your experience

that way.

Certainly hosting a server yourself,

I think you're not going to run into

this problem at all or using a more

general purpose server that isn't going to

like block a lot of like specific

viewpoints.

Those are both ways to kind of avoid

that, avoid that problem.

Again,

it kind of requires a bit more research,

but you have to imagine like each mastodon

instance is basically its own social

network and will have different rules and

will have different people in charge of

them.

And so you have to find one that

like you agree with and mastodon that

social is one that like

is kind of unopinionated and kind of host

the most people and that might be an

option that you that you want or you

might want a more specialized community

and you could find one that has a

culture that suits you because there's a

lot of like local Macedon instances like

country or city or uh specific ones that

you could sign up for to just find

people in your area um

Or a lot of different theme-based servers,

which will definitely have more of an

ingrained culture than another one.

You can find Mastodon servers dedicated to

gaming or to art or to all sorts

of different topics,

so that will definitely have an impact on

what you see.

But yeah,

self-hosting it yourself or doing a more

general-purpose instance,

I think you'll run into those problems a

lot less.

Um, but yeah, again, it's, it's like, uh,

each, each instance is,

is its own social network.

You just happen to be able to be

able to follow people on other ones as

well,

but that's kind of like a side thing.

I will say as sort of,

I'm sure Jonah can probably speak to this

a bit more,

but I will say if you are setting

up your own instance,

just be prepared to see a lot of

things.

There's definitely a lot of things that go

on in the background.

When you join one of these instances,

they have preset up block lists.

They have stuff that is set up to

block.

You know,

there are instances that are just there to

basically,

put out spam, put out like, you know,

not safe for work content that you

probably wouldn't want to be seeing, uh,

even, you know, stuff that is, uh,

morally and legally questionable as well.

So, you know,

that sort of thing still exists on these

federated platforms.

And that is something that you do trust

when you,

when you join one of these servers,

that is something that you don't have to

worry about.

But if you do decide to set up

your own,

then that is one thing you will have

to manage yourself, uh,

Because yeah,

that can be another tricky thing.

I'm sure you probably have something to

add on that, Jonah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

it just you can you can have all

sorts of different experiences on Mastodon

is kind of what it is at the

end of the day.

Like I,

I use a Mastodon server that basically

doesn't block anything at all.

And I haven't really had any problems just

because, like you said,

a lot of it comes down to who

you follow.

And I just don't follow problematic

people.

And so that has an issue.

Yeah,

I think there's one comment here again

from Dag Overhaul.

You follow hashtag AI because you're into

AI and ninety percent of people are

advocating to do some bad stuff to data

centers and they're not getting moderated

because the mods agree.

Again, like Jonah said,

like this is up to the specific social

network that the person is posting on.

If the people on that server don't believe

that that is against their rules,

then they won't do anything against that.

Again, though, that is one thing you can

I think you will find that with a

non-commercial social media that is very

much like grassroots funded and

non-corporate, I think you'll find that,

you know,

a lot of this corporate stuff like AI

and, you know,

related topics are definitely not going to

be as popular on these platforms.

So there are certainly pockets of AI

positive people on Mastodon.

I've seen them, they exist.

So you can definitely find them.

If you don't like, you know, people,

what people are saying,

you can just block them and you won't

see them again in your hashtags.

So I would say, you know,

there's definitely a trend of people's

views because it's non-corporate, but, uh,

I'm sure you'll be able to find some

place where there's people that you agree

with.

Um, because I've seen it,

like a lot of people complain that it's

like, that Marston has like,

it's quite left wing or like, you know,

there's not a lot of like political

diversity.

There is,

you just have to look for it.

There are people that are not aligning

with that.

It does exist.

So, um,

Yeah,

it just kind of comes with the way

that the platform is,

like how it's non-commercial.

And there's a lot of people that are

just running these servers specifically

just because they love the Fediverse and

they want to support the network.

So, you know,

a lot of times they're not going to

be a big fan of AI.

Most of the Fediverse is aggressively AI.

It's a culture issue, not a tech issue.

I like ActivityPub.

I think you are correct.

I think there is a culture of anti-AI

on there.

I'm not really sure what the answer to

that is.

I'm sure there's people that are positive

about AI on the Fediverse,

but definitely a lot less than other

platforms.

Yeah.

Some of that is kind of inherent.

I think the Fediverse is going to be

more creator focused.

And a lot of people who are actually

creating things are going to have stronger

opinions about AI than other platforms

where engagement is kind of king.

And AI really...

Like a lot of people make a lot

of money by posting AI stuff to Twitter

and YouTube and other platforms right now.

And there's no way to to do that

on Mastodon.

And so the people who really like AI

have not flocked to Mastodon quite as much

as other platforms.

But I don't know if that's a Mastodon

specific issue.

It's like I don't think you'll find a

ton of

Yeah,

there aren't a lot of like AI people

outside of these big platforms either,

I think.

Yeah, with that out of the way,

why don't we take a look at another

story here?

I have one about Microsoft.

This was reported by Bleeping Computer.

They say Microsoft tests new privacy

controls for Windows Eleven desktop apps.

Windows Insiders can now manage camera,

microphone,

and location permissions for individual

desktop apps.

Previously,

access for traditional desktop

applications was managed through a single

device-wide setting, Microsoft explained.

With this update,

you can review and control access on an

app-by-app basis,

giving you greater visibility into which

apps are requesting access to sensitive

resources and more control over your

privacy choices.

So you can go...

If you have Windows Insider right now,

you can go to Settings,

Privacy and Security, Camera, Microphone,

or Location,

and then you can grant access to apps

using dedicated toggles.

So this access has been in Windows for

quite a while,

but it was only applied to apps that

you got through the Microsoft Store,

kind of using their new system,

whereas this should apply to any apps that

you have installed,

because a lot of apps were not distributed

through the Microsoft Store

And we're still using these older,

the legacy app development framework.

So this follows Microsoft's February

announcement that it plans to introduce

smartphone style app permission prompts in

Windows Eleven,

which would request user consent before

apps can access sensitive resources such

as cameras and microphones.

As Windows platform engineer Logan Iyer

said at the time,

the new security model was prompted by

apps increasingly installing unwanted

software, overriding settings,

or even modifying core Windows experiences

without prior user consent.

All of that stuff, I think,

has been happening since the beginning of

time with Windows.

So it's good that they finally noticed

that this is a problem and are trying

to solve it now.

So I guess that's I guess that's a

good thing.

Permission props prompts kind of like

smartphone style

are definitely a good thing for any

platform to have.

I think on the desktop side of things,

Mac OS and maybe Chrome OS have been

kind of leading in that regard for quite

a while,

but we've definitely seen a lot of

catching up on the Linux and Windows side

of things for sure.

It's good to see.

Like, he sucks, question mark,

said in the chat over thirty years.

Yeah.

I mean, is it better late than never?

Maybe.

I don't know.

Yeah,

it's definitely good to see at least,

you know,

these positive changes being made.

But yeah,

I think it's one of these things that

there definitely needs to be more

tightening of the desktop security model.

And it just

I'm not really sure why we're so...

I guess it would require quite a

significant rewrite of the entire

operating system.

I think the thing with Windows is that

it's all so legacy...

There's so much legacy code.

Like, I've seen people, like, opening...

control panels that were like part of like

windows seven on like, uh, windows, like,

like stuff that you would assume it

doesn't exist in windows.

Eleven is still there.

There's like lots of legacy code to

support applications that don't, uh,

you know,

that don't support the latest operating

system, Windows Eleven, whereas, you know,

I think we've seen with Mac OS,

they kind of just ditch that.

If you're not running the latest operating

system, you can't run the latest software,

which is an interesting different

approach, I think,

but

it's definitely interesting to see them at

least tighten some of these controls.

And it also,

it's good to see that they're applying it

to not just a windows store apps,

because that was the issue that we've had

for a while is that a lot of

the actual sandboxing was limited to only

apps from the windows store,

which seems to have gotten better.

There's more apps that are on the windows

store now, but again,

not every single app that you have is

going to be available in the windows

store, which is,

makes it more complicated,

but it's good to see that they're moving

in the right direction.

At least we got some... For a change,

we have positive Windows news,

which is very rare, I would say.

Absolutely.

Yeah,

I don't think this fixes any of the

many other problems we have with Windows.

But you know,

it's always good to see with these less

private platforms,

like any improvements that can be made.

Any improvements that can be made the

better, I guess.

We are at war said there's parts that

are still there from nineteen ninety five.

Oh, my goodness.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, it was that bad.

But I mean,

I think there's parts from before then.

Honestly, I don't remember this.

I remember seeing an article or a post

or something about it.

There's like a Windows three point

component you can find in some obscure

setting somewhere.

I don't remember exactly what it was,

but it was it's it's funny.

All of the super old legacy stuff that

still exists in Windows.

I mean, there's something to be said for

backwards compatibility, I guess.

But at a certain point,

it's good to see some updates for the

modern day.

JMR said,

I live in a Windows-free household now.

Finally switched my wife to Linux too.

Yeah, I mean,

that's what we can all hope for.

I think if you have the ability to

do so,

that's something you should be doing.

Obviously, not everyone gets a choice.

I know people use it for work.

People use it because of gaming.

People use it for all sorts of reasons.

But I think just getting those extra

permissions is going to help a little bit,

at least tighten things up a little bit.

I'm not seeing any other comments here.

So I guess we could just jump into

this next story.

This one is from Obscura VPN.

So introducing Obscura VPN for Windows.

Starting today, Obscura VPN is available.

as a native app for Windows.

As one of our most requested features,

it brings two party relay architecture and

quick obfuscation to your desktop.

So no one, not even us,

can tie your identity to your traffic.

Windows ten and eleven are both supported.

Around a third of Windows users are still

on ten and privacy tools should not

require

a new PC.

And Obscura is offering a twenty five

percent discount to users that sign up now

with the code Windows twenty six.

The number of devices has also increased.

So they've went from three users to five

users.

And they also hinted that Linux is coming

soon and they listed a wait list.

So if you're interested in that,

definitely check out the blog post,

get signed up for that wait list.

I think it's

Considering how quickly Obscura is rolling

out these clients,

I think we'll find that the Linux one

will not be too far away.

It's definitely good to see them release a

native app as opposed to a lot of

these other VPN companies releasing sort

of web app based stuff.

That's also interesting, but

I think we should probably talk...

I guess I'll throw this back to you,

Jonah.

I know you and some other team members

have kind of been checking out this new

product.

It's not something that's listed on the

site yet,

but it definitely is interesting.

Do you want to maybe talk about it?

Yeah.

A lot of people on the forum are

really interested in obscure VPNs.

So I know Nick on our team has

started to look at it a bit,

and we've been looking at it for a

while.

I think one of the issues is they

still...

I mean, they didn't support Windows.

They don't support Linux yet.

Typically, we want to see people.

I mean,

these platforms support like the operating

systems that we would recommend because it

makes it easier.

Having like the best privacy protections

that obscure can provide only on Mac OS

was kind of made it a tough sell.

But but it's an interesting service

obscure VPN.

If you haven't heard of it,

they're basically a VPN service that kind

of partnered with Moved.

where they have like a two-party system

similar to iCloud Private Relay,

for example,

where basically you pay Obscura VPN and

your device connects to Obscura VPN,

but then they forward the traffic to

Malved and then Malved connects you to the

website.

And so your connection is actually

encrypted between your device and Mulved.

And the benefit of this system is that

Mulved isn't getting your payment

information and they're not getting your

device's IP address because

that information is being provided to

Obscura.

And then Obscura isn't getting information

about the websites that you visit because

that information is encrypted between your

device and Malvad.

So it kind of just splits up

who can access that data.

Obscura gets information about you,

like your payment information and your IP,

and Molfad gets information about what

you're doing,

like the websites that you're visiting.

But for that to be tied together,

they would basically have to work

together,

which they're

incentivized not to do.

So it's a cool privacy technology.

We've talked about it a bit long before

even obscure VPN came out,

how we wished more VPN providers would

kind of take an approach to split apart

that

information a bit,

it's kind of a good middle ground between

like a VPN and something like Tor,

which takes that separation kind of to the

extreme.

But the problem we see with Tor that

a lot of people have is that

The even more extreme separation with more

than two hops and the volunteer run aspect

of things, it increases the latency.

It kind of slows things down so people

don't get quite as good performance.

So hopefully obscure VPN in theory should

provide a lot better performance than

something like Tor because it's just

dedicated servers.

But yeah, it's cool stuff.

I'm excited to see that Linux client

support is coming soon.

But yeah,

we'll just have to wait and see for

that right now.

Secure VPN, if you did have it,

you can technically use it on any

on any platform through like a wire guard

configuration tool that they have.

But the native client has a lot of

good improvements like rotating that wire

guard key more frequently,

or automatically,

which has significant privacy

improvements.

So getting those native clients on

multiple platforms is is super important.

So it's cool that they are that they're

working on that.

Yeah,

definitely keep everything locked on

privacy guides.

We'll probably have something about that

at some point.

We'll obviously have to review that and

see if it's worth adding to the website.

But it does seem like we'll have to

wait a little bit longer considering

there's no Linux client yet.

But I've already seen people posting like

screenshots of the performance difference

between using a normal VPN and versus

using like this sort of

multi-hop setup and the difference is not

too much.

So it is kind of promising that this

could be something that is usable for a

lot of people.

I know that I think I've heard this

be kind of compared to iCloud's private

relay almost.

I think it is slightly different in the

way that it works,

but I've used that and that's been,

I've had no issues with speed.

So I think this is

definitely going to be,

it's one of these things where we want

to improve on the trust model of a

normal VPN and Obscura kind of can do

that because, you know,

obviously you don't have to trust a single

provider with your traffic,

which is definitely,

Definitely really interesting change.

I guess we could jump into possibly

answering some questions here.

We did have one from the forum if

we wanted to quickly jump over to that.

So last week we had a viewer who

was listening to the podcast and they

were really enjoying it, but they said,

you both appear to not be big fans

of Mozilla slash Firefox.

I would love to know which browser you

both use on desktop currently.

Asking because I'm also increasingly

becoming more and more frustrated with

Mozilla and their odd decisions.

So, Jonah, how do you...

Yeah, well,

right now I'm using I use Brave Origin

and I use Normal Brave and I use

Zen Browser.

So I'm kind of using a lot of

browsers at the moment,

but I like all of them so far.

So yeah,

probably Zen Browser I've been using the

most lately.

But because it is Firefox based,

I have been running into more and more

compatibility issues, unfortunately,

which is kind of a shame,

but

Yeah,

Brave has been a bit better in that

regard, unfortunately.

But I like Brave as well.

So there's a lot of good options in

the browser space at the moment that I

think help you kind of avoid the problems,

especially with Google Chrome.

But also, yeah,

standard Firefox at the moment has not

been my favorite to recommend lately

because of the direction that Mozilla has

been going in for quite a long time.

Yeah, no, I think it's definitely...

Firefox is definitely in an interesting

spot.

I personally stopped using it.

Again, yeah, I also was using...

I was originally using Arc Browser because

I was a really big fan of the

vertical tabs,

which was basically the one feature that

the browser actually pioneered.

It basically became this whole thing,

and now every single browser has vertical

tabs.

Not every single browser has...

a good implementation of it,

which is kind of the frustrating part,

like Firefox's implementation is not great

versus Zen Browser's implementation,

which is much similar to Arc Browser's

implementation.

I don't think this is really a privacy

thing, though,

so I'm not really sure how relevant that

is to your question.

But I've also been using

zen browser um i also have helium browser

also have safari like i don't know i

just kind of mix it up uh we're

at war just mentioned thoughts on helium

used brave before they killed my

extensions um i think helium is

interesting it's you know like a very

stripped down chromium like base browser

like it's it's it's nice it just kind

of gets out of the way and it

does what you need in a

It does have vertical tabs.

It doesn't operate in quite as well of

a way as Zen Browser does.

Just being able to pin folders and pin

websites and stuff like that and,

you know,

be able to access them easily is kind

of really big for me because I'm

constantly going into like the same

website over and over again,

like YouTube Studio or like Ghost or

Buffer or Transistor.

It's like all these platforms that I have

to check in on like

quite often.

So it's really nice to have that pinned

like that.

And as far as I know,

Helium doesn't let you do that,

which is interesting.

Someone here mentioned a Molvad browser.

I do use mobile browser,

but I don't go to a lot of

websites these days that I'm not logged

into.

I'm usually just checking accounts more

than anything.

And so I don't use mobile browser for

like anything that I am logged into,

like social media,

like the privacy as form,

like our next cloud and YouTube studio and

all of that stuff.

So, yeah,

not a lot of reason to use it

a lot.

But if you're more doing like

searching the internet for stuff,

reading news articles, that sort of thing,

Malvep browser is a great option for sure.

And usually we recommend a multiple

browser approach.

So we would say use Brave for stuff

you're signed into and Malvep browser for

stuff that you're not signed into.

And that sort of thing is typically the

setup we'd go with.

Yeah, unfortunately,

I've definitely had issues.

I'm not sure if it's an issue with

my setup specifically,

but Morvad Browser does seem really slow

at loading web pages.

I'm not sure if that's... Interesting.

I haven't run into that,

but that would be good to look into.

Okay,

maybe it's just an issue on my setup.

Have you heard about Ladybird Browser?

I don't know if that I mean,

is it out yet?

I certainly heard that they're working on

it,

but no way to really know if it's

good.

But it's good that people are working on

something other than Chromium and Firefox.

It's good to have more options.

Hello, world.

I do not have any issues with with

slowness.

Yeah,

I haven't I haven't heard of that with

mobile browser either.

So it might depend on your settings.

Do you have like are you in safest

mode or?

No,

it might be something to do with Molavad's

DNS.

Maybe there's no DNS resolver in Australia

or something.

I'm not really sure.

It could be something like that.

Interesting.

Roshan Kiriakos says Ladybird Browser is

out for Linux.

Interesting.

I will have to take a look.

I have not used Ladybird Browser,

that's for sure.

But it's something I've been keeping an

eye on off and on for a little

bit.

Yeah.

I will just quickly add, though,

before you consider trying it out,

it did have a controversy where they did

rewrite the entire code base from C++ to

Rust using AI.

So that is one thing that you need

to be aware of with Ladybird.

I think that's definitely a choice.

I would probably...

I don't know.

That just doesn't seem like the greatest

idea to me, especially for a browser.

So that definitely put me off the project

a little bit.

I think the one that I've seen that

looks the most promising is Servo,

I think it's called.

Yeah.

It also doesn't seem to be...

I believe it's using Rust and it's not

using...

So maybe that would be a better option.

But yeah,

I think when it comes to your web

browser,

rewriting the whole code base in using

cloud code is probably not the greatest

idea.

Yeah, that seems kind of rough.

Yes.

We are at Warsad.

My thoughts about obscure browsers is that

they have a unique user agent that you'll

probably want to spoof somehow to limit

fingerprinting.

Maybe, personally,

if you're talking about something like

Brave or something like Zen Browser or

something like LibriWolf...

There are some benefits to spoofing that,

but at the end of the day,

pretty much any browser is going to be

fingerprintable no matter what stuff

you're spoofing.

It's going to be very hard to convince

somebody that you're not using Zen browser

or Brave browser if you are,

even if you change these things.

The best solution to this is using a

browser

uh dedicated to this like malvad browser

where people can tell that you're using

malvad browser but like blending in

between different malvad browser users is

kind of the intended purpose of it and

so using that for locked out sites is

important but um

that's why we typically would recommend

mobile browser for sites that you're not

logged into because then they can't track

you if you're also using a VPN alongside

it.

So that prevents people from tracking you

via your IP address as well.

Whereas with something like Brave,

it's just kind of something that you have

to accept at the moment that all of

these other browsers are not

hardened against this kind of

fingerprinting,

like advanced fingerprinting trackers and

that sort of thing.

Definitely.

Someone here said, Roy said,

Safari question mark.

Yeah, I think, you know,

it is an option if you are only

on an Apple device.

You know, a lot of times

Safari is going to have the best

protection or it's going to have the best

options available for protecting yourself.

Like you can install ad blockers and it

does have some fingerprinting resistance

as well.

But yeah,

the issue with iOS is every single web

browser is basically just based on Safari.

So you're not really getting any extra

protection.

bells and whistles.

I know the Brave browser on iOS definitely

does have some extra little things.

I'm not really sure how much that would

compare to Safari,

but it does seem like Safari has some

of those extra perks,

like Private Relay is one that's pretty

cool,

and it does have fingerprinting protection

too, so it's not the worst choice,

but it is recommended in our

recommendations for iOS and iPadOS

devices.

Oddbite says, what about pale moon?

What a throwback.

Yeah, that's definitely,

please don't use that.

Yeah.

Also a reminder to members,

we do have a members only chat and

you can leave questions in there if you

want us to answer any of those as

well.

We try to get to those as soon

as we can.

I'm not seeing any questions per se in

there right now.

I'm just seeing people kind of discussing

the topics that we talked about so far.

So if there are any members watching and

you want to get a question answered and

you don't want to put it in the

chat,

then that is also completely possible too.

I'm not really seeing any other questions.

I guess we could start rolling out to

the outro now.

Oh, there is a question here.

Actually, I'm seeing one.

Is Linux Mint or Fedora recommended?

I have flashed Ubuntu and still wondering.

Yeah,

we typically recommend Fedora is one.

If you go to our website under the

recommendations tab,

we do have a full Linux page with

a lot of different options.

Linux Mint is usually one we would

recommend less because it tends to be

behind on updates and makes them...

Like the further you get abstracted from

like the upstream norms,

like Debian in Ubuntu,

the trickier it is to maintain, I think,

but really any Linux distro is going to

be better than using something other than

Linux from a privacy perspective.

So the choice doesn't matter.

A ton is what I would say.

yeah definitely good points um there are

definitely recommendations that we have

that are like more pointed towards

security so if it's like oh you want

like the maximum security on linux we did

do like a video about it um secure

blue is an interesting project to check

out um it's definitely a different

approach to linux um more of a focus

on using flat packs and there's definitely

It's definitely towards people that are a

bit more technical,

but it could be interesting to check that

out too,

because that is on our recommendations

too.

I'm sure some BSD folks will like to

have a word with you.

I mean, I guess, but like,

as far as I know, like,

FreeBSD is maybe the closest thing that we

have that could be, maybe.

But as far as I know,

it's still missing some stuff that Linux

has.

So I'm not really sure how useful that

recommendation would be when you could

just use Fedora.

I'm not really sure what benefits you

would get from using FreeBSD or something

instead.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that kind of probably wraps things

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